It's called "deceptive recruiting", a method employed by cults to hide their true practices until it's too late.
Sail Away
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If disfellowshipping so important why is it not mentioned one time in the bible teach book
by poopie inif it is what page.
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Witnesses and anxiety disorder
by mana11 ini saw this on a public user group for jw's .
the librarian [email protected].
the caption reads:.
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LisaRose
Sail away, I'm sorry you suffered for so long. I hope you find peace and healing now that you are out.
My daughter was about eight years old when the yearbook with all the concentration camp stories came out. she was obsessed with fears about being put in one, it was a rough year.LisaRose, I hope your daughter is doing better now. It's terribly hard to get those images out of a child's mind. Yes, 'Do More' is the JW mantra. I used to feel totally beat up and defeated after every, and I mean every assembly and convention. Nothing was ever good enough. I still struggle with that too.
I practice and teach basic tai chi and meditation. It has been a life changing process. Sailing is great for the nerves and for confidence building too!
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"God by the Neck" short film
by wolfman85 innow you can see the full short movie online.
storyline: its sunday, and pablo, 8 years old, has an invitation to a very special but also forbidden birthday party.
its sunday, and for the first time, pablo is going on a door-to-door preaching with his mother.
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Sail Away, I so hear what you're saying. By posting here you are giving yourself excellent evidence that you're doing your best to make sense of what you went through and, when you're ready, to gain a healing perspective on what you went through.
It took me a long time and there are still times when it all comes back - but those times are fewer, less intense and don't last as long.
Steve, thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I have done a lot of work since I left and have come to accept things as they were then and as they are now. I've been through all the stages of grief several times. The intensity of my emotions while watching this film shook me up, but as you said, it didn't last long. Identifying with that little boy was painful. His mother emotionally abused him. I blamed myself. I accepted The Lie when I was nine years old. No one else in my family became a JW. I essentially did this mind f**k to myself. It doesn't help to blame a nine year old little girl who only wanted the happy family life she was promised.
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Witnesses and anxiety disorder
by mana11 ini saw this on a public user group for jw's .
the librarian [email protected].
the caption reads:.
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As a teen I had recurring nightmares about Armegedon and being imprisoned and tortured in a concentration camp. Being raised as a JW in the late '60s and early '70s was brutal. As an adult, I suffered from severe, recurrent clinical depression for decades and was diagnosed with Post-traumatic Stress Disorder in the early '90s. By the time I walked away in 2011, I had been through an out-patient hospitalization and was still suffering from panic attacks. PTSD never goes away, but I am off all medications now and am no longer depressed. The JW belief system is toxic in so many ways. It was not the sole cause of my anxiety disorders and depression, but played a major role in them. -
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Im ready to leave
by SpunkedTeen ini just found this website and im so glad because for the first time in a long time i dont feel alone...i am a born in and in the last two years have been struggling because i thought that i was the problem and i was the reason for not feeling any love from and for the other pubs .i want to leave the org but have no idea how to tell my mother(who is a faithful jw).
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Please listen to the advice you have been given. If you are not baptized, don't take that step. If you are, don't say anything yet. In order to avoid being shunned by your mom when you leave home, you need to learn about how to leave the organization slowly. It is called fading. You can't just come out and tell her you are ready to leave. She will very likely feel obligated to notify the elders, and things can get ugly really quickly. Stop and take a deep breath. You are young. Armegedon is not coming soon. Jehovah's Witnesses have been saying that for over 100 years. It is a lie. Keep reading and posting. Start developing your exit strategy. -
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"God by the Neck" short film
by wolfman85 innow you can see the full short movie online.
storyline: its sunday, and pablo, 8 years old, has an invitation to a very special but also forbidden birthday party.
its sunday, and for the first time, pablo is going on a door-to-door preaching with his mother.
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The fear and anxiety I felt going to the door as a child who believed that so many people (including non-believing family and friends) were going to be killed at Armageddon is still stored in my physical body. This short film made me physically sick. My heart breaks for the little children. -
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UPDATE
We are at the very peak of activity & personnel right now with 3800 workers! 2 Cor 4:8. This pace is unsustainable for an indefinite period of time! From here things will begin to taper off. During August the work by all major outside contractors will be finished. In September the # of Volunteer Workers needed will begin to decline.Not sure what the source of this update is, but I see this as a great opportunity to hide a large number of layoffs in the near future.
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Can someone explain to me ......
by notoneoftheboys ini was never told before i got baptised that i would loose my family if i got disfellowshipped.. no one told me i would get disfellowshipped if i had a blood transfusion.
no one told me that the gb was all powerful and tolerate no dissention.
that if i spoke to a d/f person i would get disfellowshipped.. no one told me in my marriage bed there were rules if broken d/f shipping resulted.. i was told my brothers would die or care for me.
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notoneoftheboys, I am not shocked that you didn't know such things. I could have written this post. I started studying when I was nine years old in 1969. I was told that if a family member was DF'd I could still have a family relationship with them, just not talk about "spiritual matters". The entire focus was on the end coming in 1975. There was no discussion of dissension, only the wonderful "Truth" we were learning and how important the preaching work was-- Millions were going to die. It was our job to warn them. Of course my pioneer bible conductor didn't talk about sex other than to say that pre-marital sex was forbidden. I was a child. The rules about sexual relations in marriage came later. My husband and I bristled at them, but obeyed blindly. Disassociation for talking with a DF'd person came later. I was not baptised into an organization. They even changed that vow.
I'm sorry you feel so betrayed. The pain will ease in time.
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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta
by freemindfade insoliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
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FayeDunaway
Oh my, those last 4 posts were quite discouraging. This religion tears apart families. I think I'm the first woman to contribute here, and I just want to tell you what to say through my perspective.
Assure her you love her and you want to stay strong together and she is the only one for you. She might be somewhat insecure about that, because you are an attractive man. Also assure her you do not want to be the master of her faith, that is up to her. If she started seeing things your way eventually, that would be fantastic, but you won't push her and you will let her decide on her own, but no matter what you will be by her side. Let her know that even though you have decided you don't believe in any of it, you are still a moral person and you're going to be a faithful husband. Let her know you know how hard this is for her, and you are the one who changed, and it's not what she was expecting when she married you. But remind her you married for love, and that has not changed.
^^ This! ^^
freemindfade, I'm so sorry you are having such a painful struggle. You have had lots of good input from others who are or have been in your shoes. Each situation is different, because we are all different people and because relationships are so very tricky.
Like, FayeDunaway, I'm a woman, so I haven't been in your shoes, but I have been in your wife's shoes. My husband faded from the organization before the Internet. He didn't know what fading was, he just did it. At the time we had a toddler and an infant. We were both raised-in from early childhood and had promised before marriage to raise our children together "in the Truth". I felt betrayed. I felt like he had dumped a huge weight of responsibility on my shoulders, and I was resentful.
Mr. Sail Away didn't really talk a lot about why he left the organization. I knew he had been at Bethel just after 1975, that his former Bethel roommate had been involved with some group of dissenters there and that Mr. Sail Away didn't believe the "This generation" doctrine. He said everything was predicated on only one scripture, and he thought there should, in effect, be "two or more witnesses" to a matter of such importance. I believed that Jehovah would clear matters up in time. The C.O. told me to view him and treat him like an unbelieving mate, so that is what I did. Years later Mr. Sail Away did disclose that he didn't believe in the ransom. I believed that he was an "apostate" and had "sinned against the Holy Spirit", but I never believed that I had a scriptural reason to divorce him for his belief or lack of belief as long as he didn't oppose me.
I regret that Mr. Sail Away didn't feel he could talk openly with me. I was an uber-dub to be sure. I believed my children's lives were at stake and that it was my job to protect them. Over the years, Mr. Sail Away would make some mention of how Science and JW/Bible teachings just didn't agree. That was important to him. It was not a topic I, even to this day, am interested in researching. He didn't learn TTATT until I walked away over 30 years after he faded!
I have been out four years now, and the shoe is on the other foot in many ways. Because I dove head first into the TTATT, I started wanting changes in our relationship before he was ready. He told me his attitude all along had been that "the Truth" was pretty much benign, so he had no problem with my raising our kids that way. He just went about his life, building a business and studying Science and Computer Technology.
As we got older we got back to a common interest which has always been sailing. I am certain that having extended periods of time away from meetings (indoctrination) while sailing played a huge role in my waking up. Mr. Sail Away is absolutely a loyal husband, a good man, father and provider. He just wan't the type to talk about his feelings. There was definitely a painful disconnect in or marriage.
When I finally woke up and walked away from the organization (I didn't know about fading yet either!), things got worse before they got better. I started researching TTATT about four months after I left. I was soon done with the "headship principle" and wanted a more equal relationship. It now became my intent to get him to see things my way. It was pretty rough going for a while, but I figured he put up with my JW ways for all those years, so it was my turn to do the same. In the meantime, I got into therapy for myself and learned assertiveness and communication skills that I was sorely lacking after being a submissive JW wife for over 35 years (Mr. Sail Away would tell you that I was never really all that submissive!)
I feel like this post is a little all over the map, but I hope you can see that I'm saying that if you and Mrs. FMF love each other, are committed to each other and are forgiving, I think you have a chance. You will both say and do things that will hurt the other. You have an advantage over Mr. Sail Away though, you know TTATT now.
Even though I had doctrinal issues decades ago, my severe cognitive dissonance always revolved around how other people, marriages and families where being hurt by JW doctrine. Cognitive dissonance is a bizarre thing. I still don't understand why I hung on so long. It took some really traumatic events for me to walk away. I never wanted to live in a paradise earth without my family. When it became imminently clear that my husband and both of my children were never coming back "to Jehovah", I chose them. I decided that the twenty or so years I had left here on this planet with them would be so much better than eternity alone without them. I was absolutely right.
freemindfade, do you know what Mrs. FMF's most pressing inner conflicts might be? Can you find out through some open and honest discussion and disclosure on your part? As a woman, all those years, what I wanted most was to connect with my husband. We are still working on that, but at least there isn't a huge elephant in the room any more.
Wishing you both all the best,
Sail Away
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New grandson!
by mimimimi inour youngest son and his wife (matt and star) welcomed a baby boy yesterday at 7:04 p.m. ivan tomas, 7 lbs.
11 oz., 20 1/4" long.
he is their second child.
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Congratulations! Grandchildren are such a precious gift.